#6: Cicadas: Unexpected Ambassadors of Biodiversity

Periodical cicadas are amazing animals – they spend nearly 13 or 17 years underground, and all decide, together, to come out and party in your trees at the same time.

They are loud, and perhaps you think they are annoying. But they are one of the most accessible demonstrations of nature’s abundance that still occurs.

But cicadas are super important to our ecosystems and the food webs that support life. Their story is full of history, drama, and even optimism. And right now, as this is being released in 2024, a rare “double emergence” is occurring.

So now is the time to give cicadas a second look, and see just how magical the “magicicada” genus is. 

Host Griff Griffith, with the help of renowned cicada researchers Dr. Chris Simon, Dr. Gene Kritsky, and Dr. Matt Kasson, as well as All Bugs Go to Kevin founder Kevin Wiener, takes a fun, and sometimes disturbing look at cicadas, why they matter, and how they reflect biodiversity in general.

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Links to Topics Discussed

All Bugs Go to Kevin: Facebook Group | YouTube Channel
Cicada Safari App
cicadas.uconn.edu – perhaps the best, most authoritative resource on periodical cicadas
The full length interview with Dr. Chris Simon is available on Nature’s Archive podcast feed.

Related Podcast Episodes

Cicada Photos

Periodical Cicada – Image courtesy Kevin Wiener
A Wing-tapping Cicada, a type of annual cicada. Photograph by Michael Hawk
Scissor Grinder Cicada, a type of annual cicada. Photo by Michael Hawk
Green Grocer cicada, an annual cicada of Australia. Photograph by Michael Hawk
Annual Cicada Exoskeleton. Photograph by Michael Hawk

Credits

This podcast episode was written and produced by Michael Hawk. Our host and co-writer is Griff Griffith. Kat Hill provided editing assistance.

Thanks to the team at cicadas.uconn.edu for allowing us to use some of their recordings of periodical cicadas, as well as Kevin Weiner for use of his photos and audio.

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Cicada Episode

[00:00:00] Griff Griffith: Welcome to a world where the hum of nature symphony takes center stage. That mesmerizing chorus of thousands of cicadas blending together in harmony.

[00:00:13] And guess what this year, it’s a double feature in some parts of the United States, two distinct groups of cicadas are rising up simultaneously Turning 2024 into a cacophony of nature’s finest.

[00:00:29] There are special kinds of cicadas that spend over a decade underground and somehow, some way they all decide to emerge at the same time.

[00:00:37] How can millions of insects collectively make these decisions?

[00:00:42] but there’s a deeper story buzzing beneath the surface. It’s a tale of survival of predator and prey dancing in a delicate balance. It’s about adaptation, evolution, and yes, even danger lurking in the wings.

[00:00:56] Matt Kasson: When a cicada is infected with Mesopora, basically the Posterior or the back part of the abdomen comes off and from underneath emerges a chalky white gumdrop or maybe something analogous to powdered sugar or chalk dust

[00:01:16] And those plugs are basically millions of individual spores that then get transferred as they fly around, as they attempt to mate. We call them flying salt shakers of death It’s kind of a pretty metal term,

[00:01:33] Griff Griffith: Gross. Is he describing a sexually transmitted fungus? We’ll hear more from Dr. Kasson about this in a few minutes. Regardless, cicadas in their standard form or as flying salt shakers of death are more than just background noise.

[00:01:47] They’re a living testament to the intricate web of life where every species, no matter how small, plays a vital role, not just to ecosystems, but also food webs. In fact, cicadas have been eaten by people too for thousands of years.

[00:02:01] Cicadas reflect what it means to have biodiversity and abundance. So even if you don’t have these kinds of cicadas in your area, similar stories are playing out all around you.

[00:02:10] So buckle up because we are about to embark on an extraordinary journey into the wild world of cicadas and how they embody the importance of biodiversity.

[00:02:18] I’m Griff Griffith, and welcome to Jumpstart Nature.

[00:02:31] You’re listening to a special kind of cicada, a periodical cicada. , periodical because they only emerge after a set period of time. In United States, different groups emerge after either 13 or 17 years.

[00:02:55] If you’re like most people, the thought of cicadas probably conjures up memories of loud or maybe even annoying insects of mid and late summer screaming from the nearby trees.

[00:03:04] And based on those recordings, I can’t blame you, but these cicadas are a bit different. Dr. Chris Simon is considered the world’s foremost expert on these unique cicadas.

[00:03:14] Chris Simon: Ah! They’re spring cicadas and they’re small and black with red eyes. None of the annual cicadas in the United States have red eyes and there’s huge numbers of them all over. When they first come out. You can see ’em all over the trees and bushes, and then they climb up into the tops of the trees

[00:03:36] the smaller two are much louder and much more annoying, the largest one. The Decim group, they have a nice calm whistle sound and it sounds like flying saucers from a 1950 science fiction film. If you go into an area and you ask people if they’ve heard anything, it sounds like a flying saucer. And the cicadas are there. They’ll, the Decim ones, they’ll say yes. So it really does sound like flying saucers.

[00:04:04] Griff Griffith: Okay, to help set the stage, here’s a sample of what a 1950s flying saucer sounded like And now here are a couple recordings of Decim cicadas The first one is a group singing as a chorus.

[00:04:24] And here’s one isolated with a chorus in the background. Okay, yeah, I can hear it a little, but I think the cicadas sound a bit more like the alien probes from the original War of the Worlds movie.

[00:04:41] Gene Kritsky: There are seven species of periodical cicadas in the eastern U. S. There are three species of 17 year cicadas. And there are four species of 13 year cicadas. Now within those seven species, there are essentially three species groups.

[00:04:55] Griff Griffith: Dr. Gene Kritsky has been mapping where these cicadas occur for close to 50 years. From here, things get complicated pretty fast, so with the help of our experts, I’ll try to break things down in simple terms.

[00:05:07] The groups of cicadas Dr. Kritsky mentioned are lumped together because they look and behave similarly.

[00:05:12] Despite being similar, each group has both a 17 year species a 13 year So yes, the most closely related species seem to have different life cycles offset by four years.

[00:05:24] when we have a mass emergence, like we’re due to have any day now in 2024, We don’t just see one species or one group emerge. Rather, we see distant cicada cousins spanning different groups and species deciding to come out at the same time.

[00:05:38] Whew! So are all these cicadas sitting around coordinating their plans?

[00:05:43] I have so many questions! But wait, there’s more!

[00:05:47] Chris Simon: So each species has a whole bunch of reproductively isolated groups. And these are so recently isolated in different years that they haven’t formed new species yet, but they’re in the process of becoming species because they’re reproductively isolated.

[00:06:07] Griff Griffith: All right, so we have speciation in progress. That is, for whatever reason, one species of cicada, or more accurately, groups of different species, Have banded together to emerge from underground But the same set of species that emerges in Illinois in 2024 on a 17 year schedule might emerge in Pennsylvania in 2025, but on a different 17 year schedule.

[00:06:29] since these groups emerge in different years and locations, they are reproductively isolated. They never see each other as adults, and as a result, don’t exchange genes. Given enough time, they will become distinct species.

[00:06:42] These groups of cicadas that emerge in different places at different times are called broods. It’s important to note that cicadas have their own unique definition of brood. In other animals, a brood usually refers to a group of young cared for by specific parents, like with birds.

[00:06:59] Chris Simon: Yeah, the word year class would be much better than brood because as you said, it’s used in birds to mean that the individual’s in a nest

[00:07:07] Griff Griffith: So we have seven current species of periodical cicadas in the United States.

[00:07:12] Chris Simon: we used to think that they were the only periodical cicadas, but oh, maybe in 2014 we uncovered this little newspaper, article, a little blurb that said World Cup Cicada. And it turns out that the cicadas come out in the year, like in the spring, right before the World Cup. So I found the publications, it was published by a scientist in Northeast, India. I contacted him and it turns out that they also discovered another group that’s nearby that’s offset by two years, same species, but it’s got two broods offset by two years.

[00:07:52] And then in a book written by a cicada biologist about the South Pacific, he mentions a cicada that might be periodical in Fiji. We checked it out and sure enough, it does seem to come out once every eight years.

[00:08:09] Griff Griffith: These Fiji cicadas will emerge in 2025. That’s just enough time for someone to fund a jumpstart nature trip to Fiji

[00:08:16] so we can personally investigate. Nat Geo, Animal Planet, Bill Gates. Are you listening?

[00:08:23] Fiji dreams set aside for the moment. You Periodical cicadas are just a blip in the big picture of cicadas.

[00:08:32] Dr. Matt Kasson is also a biologist who has an entirely unexpected path to cicadas. And we’ll discuss that a bit later. But first,

[00:08:40] Matt Kasson: late August, we have something called the Dog Day Cicadas, because we hear them during the hottest dog days of summer.

[00:08:47] And they’re the really loud, obnoxious ones that scream, scream at you while you’re out at your picnic table or grilling. and those are commonly heard, but not really seen like the periodical cicadas. So that’s an example of an annual cicada

[00:09:01] Gene Kritsky: There are 3, 400 species of cicadas worldwide. But those come out every year,

[00:09:07] Chris Simon: the annual cicadas are bigger, wider and some of the annual cicadas are much bigger. There’s some very tiny little cicadas, say for example, we know of some in Australia that are maybe the size of your fingernail. And then there’s some very large cicadas also in Australia and New Guinea, tropical areas. I would guess maybe six inches long, something like that.

[00:09:32] Griff Griffith: I’ve been a nature nut for decades, so I’m not always surprised to learn that some animal or plant has more diversity than I expect, but 3,400 species of cicada, wow. One other thing I’ve come to expect is that every species has a wonderfully unique way of interconnecting with the rest of nature.

[00:09:50] Gene Kritsky: They do a lot of ecological good when they come out. So, for example, the holes in the ground that they produce as the nymphs emerge is like a natural aeration and in our hot summers when the clay soil starts getting baked really hard and we get that heavy rains instead of running off, a lot of that water goes down those holes and helps water the trees later in the summer.

[00:10:09] when the adults are flying around, they’re food for all sorts of opportunistic predators unlike the annual cicadas, periodical cicadas, their survival strategy is to have come, come out such massive numbers. That birds, dogs, cats, raccoons, deer, I’ve seen turtles eat these things. I’ve seen snakes eat these things, have all the cicadas they want to eat. And there’s still millions left.

[00:10:31] And that means those predators will have more of their offsprings survive that year.

[00:10:37] Griff Griffith: Imagine if you woke up one day and your house was swarming with your favorite chocolates. You’d probably eat a few, maybe a lot. And this goes on for days. Eventually you’d get tired of eating them. This is what happens with cicadas. Dr. Kritsky continues:

[00:10:50] Gene Kritsky: , when the females lay their eggs in the terminal growth of trees and the branches sometimes break, and the leaves turn brown, we call that flagging, that’s like a natural pruning.

[00:11:00] And the next spring, the trees will produce a larger leaf set and flower set that helps them to recover. And then finally, the cicadas die after they’re done laying their eggs. And let’s face it, they can come out in numbers there. Now this is under trees, but they’ve been measured up to one and a half million per acre of tree coverage.

[00:11:20] That’s a lot of bugs. When they die, they collect at the base of trees, because they’re all up in the trees, and they start to rot. And that rotting, as they start to decay, all those nutrients from all those millions of cicadas goes into the soil around the base of the tree. Forming a, a nutrient cache for the tree.

[00:11:39] Chris Simon: there’s a huge pulse of nutrients into the soil. And that’s been studied by Louie Yang at Davis who’s shown the real importance of the cicada bodies as fertilizer for growing plants.

[00:11:52] Griff Griffith: Those are just a few of the benefits of cicadas. and many cultures worldwide have long seen cicadas as a culinary delight. Recognizing the nutritional value of freshly molted cicadas, indigenous Americans gathered them into baskets and prepared these abundant snacks in various delectable ways. Even today, cicadas are savored as a delicacy in many parts of the world. You can even buy cicada pizzas in parts of the United States.

[00:12:15] however, the early colonists mistook cicadas for,

[00:12:18] Chris Simon: Locust they used to be called 17 year Locusts and 13 year Locusts I think they got that name during Colonial times because the colonists in Massachusetts were not doing that well. There was just like one plague after another.

[00:12:33] And then all of a sudden all of these cicadas came out. They were all over everything. And so they thought it was a plague of Locusts like in the Bible.

[00:12:42] Griff Griffith: and Sadly, some of their misconceptions have persisted through the generations, leading some people to believe they are harmful pests. It’s important to dispel the myth that cicadas pose a threat to gardens or pets. cicadas are not interested in devouring your plants or harming your beloved pets

[00:13:00] In nature, every action sets off a chain reaction, sparking a dance of reaction and adaptation among plants and animals. Over millennia, these interactions weave themselves into the very fabric of The Ecosystem .

[00:13:13] As cicadas continue to speciate, evolving into new species right before our eyes, This dance becomes ever more intricate and grand, like a ballet expanding into a spectacular ensemble performance. Each new dancer adding their unique steps to enrich the ecosystem.

[00:13:29] Sometimes this dance takes a disturbing turn, or at least disturbing if we look at it through the lens of humanity. Matt Kasson again:

[00:13:37] Matt Kasson: Oftentimes when people think about fungi, they think about mushrooms. And it’s true that all mushrooms are fungi, but not all fungi are mushrooms. The mushroom forming fungi is just one branch on the fungal tree.

[00:13:53] Entomopathogen is the word we use for an insect infecting or an insect destroying fungus. And Massospora cicadina is an entomopathogenic

[00:14:03] fungus. That means it infects insects, primarily cicadas.

[00:14:08] Griff Griffith: There are many types of fungus that target insects.

[00:14:11] Matt Kasson: let me, , take you on a visual journey. , imagine a cicada, , their body is made up of these, plates of, chitin.

[00:14:20] usually black in color. When a cicada is infected with Massospora, basically the Posterior or the back part of the abdomen comes off and from underneath emerges something analogous to a, an eraser on a, on a pencil, , covered with, um, powdered sugar or chalk dust. And that is the fungal plug of Massospora .

[00:14:44] And those plugs are basically millions of individual spores that then get transferred as they fly around, as they attempt to mate. We call them flying salt shakers of death. It’s kind of a pretty metal term, , but it’s also visually informative. , if you were to imagine a cicada with a salt shaker, duct tape to its back, flying around, you would see, you know, salt, shaking out everywhere.

[00:15:13] And that’s similar to what’s happening with these spores on the back end of the abdomen.

[00:15:17] Griff Griffith: The ballet has suddenly turned into a heavy metal mosh pit Alright, alright, enough of that. and it turns out different fungal species infect other types of cicadas too, it’s all part of the dance and this fungus takes control of the cicada much like how music can take control of our dance.

[00:15:40] Matt Kasson: in order to talk about cicada behavioral modification in the presence of a Massospora, I want to quickly just talk about behavioral modification in other insects by fungal pathogens. , there’s a really common type of behavioral modification called summit disease. And even if you’ve never heard that term, you’ve certainly seen it because zombie ants , are the like iconic example of this.

[00:16:08] , what happens is a lot of insect pathogens coerce their hosts to climb to a high elevation, affix, , or lock into place, whether that’s biting down or, or, you know, digging in, , after which the insect dies and the fungus, you know, dies. erupts quite cinematically out of the cadaver. That’s the zombie ant fungus.

[00:16:35] That’s what The Last of Us is based on. , some of you may know the video game or the HBO series.

[00:16:41] So that’s one behavioral modification, but that’s not what Massospora does. Massospora is actually way cooler because it does something called active host transmission. That is, it keeps its host alive. as long as possible to maximize its dispersal.

[00:16:57] Griff Griffith: If you’re wondering how an animal can have its posterior fall off and seemingly go about its normal routine, so am I.

[00:17:03] Matt Kasson: Well, despite the fact that a third of the abdomen, including the genitalia of these cicadas, have They continue to fly around as if nothing happened. They continue to engage in normal behavior, just like their uninfected counterpart. There’s a prolonged wakefulness in them that is beautifully disturbing, if I might say.

[00:17:30] In addition to this prolonged wakefulness or this kind of hyperactivity, We also see what we characterize as hyper sexualization. For example, a male that’s infected with Massospora will not only continue to try to mate with females, will himself pretend to be a female to get healthy males to come in contact with him.

[00:17:56] , what underlies all that? , that was really a question we had from the beginning, is why is this hypersexual behavior happening? Why is this prolonged wakefulness happening? And it turns out, , well, it’s drugs. In fact, uh, we found in Massospora cicadina, , a production of a compound called cathinone.

[00:18:15] Now, cathinone is a naturally occurring amphetamine,

[00:18:18] Griff Griffith: Ah, they’re hopped up on amphetamines. Have you heard those crazy stories about what people do when they abuse drugs called bath salts? these were causing people to become excessively alert, aggressive, and even giving superhuman strength during rage filled outburst. That was the same amphetamine that controls these cicadas.

[00:18:36] With millions of cicadas left over even after predators partake in the cicada buffet, it’s no wonder that some pathogen found its niche among this abundance.

[00:18:45] Matt Kasson: you know, in, in any large population, , there’s a baseline amount of disease, , that will impact the population.

[00:18:55] These obligate parasites or pathogens have really kind of figured out the perfect balance to maintaining themselves, but leaving enough of the other hosts around so that they can infect the next generation. that’s something to think about.

[00:19:12] Griff Griffith: Wow. This story has certainly taken an unexpected turn.

[00:19:16] And of course the cicadas evolution responds to the pressure caused by these fungal infections too.

[00:19:21] Kevin Wiener: My first experience, , with periodical cicadas was in Cincinnati, Ohio, uh, where I grew up, and I just remember my dad telling me, like, these stories about, like, you couldn’t even see the bark on the trees, and everything was covered, and just, they were, they were everywhere, and then the time came, and it was just really underwhelming.

[00:19:54] Griff Griffith: that’s Kevin Wiener and insect advocate, educator and founder of the popular All Bugs Go To Kevin Facebook group, describing his first cicada encounter.

[00:20:03] but 2021 saw the largest brood of cicadas emerge, and it made huge headlines. This brood is known as brood 10, but Roman numerals are used to number the broods. So it appeared in headlines like brood X.

[00:20:15] Kevin Wiener: I was excited. Super excited. I could see it through my, like, adult eyes now, Like, just knowing that it’s such an important part of, of nature to boost, , you know, populations of animals, you know, cause these are basically defenseless insects that are free for the taking for anything that, that, that eats insects. , so it can really help Populations of anything that would eat them and then in turn boost other populations of things that would eat those and so on.

[00:20:43] I was driving through Lincoln City, Indiana, I had my radio going. blaring, windows up. And then I hear this sound and I was like, there’s no way. There’s no way. And so I turned the, the stereo off, rolled the window down, and I could not believe the sound.

[00:21:08] It was so loud. And it was, I mean, I’m getting goosebumps just thinking about it now. It was just the coolest thing. And so I immediately, like, pulled over, and I just started exploring. And they were just everywhere and, uh, and high up in the trees. I mean, you just were immersed in sound.

[00:21:31] I wanted to see, I wanted to pick one up, I wanted to look at them and it’s a learning experience too, you know, because I didn’t know going in which species I was looking at, so I had to learn how to identify them because I think we had three different, , species that were popping up.

[00:21:44] Griff Griffith: Knowing a bit about the story of cicadas, their lives underground, the spectacle, what they do for nature, helped turn Kevin into a cicada fan, and his curiosity is exactly what we need to help biodiversity.

[00:21:56] But despite there being billions of cicadas, some populations are in decline. And we’re likely suffering from shifting baseline syndrome too. That is, each generation loses perspective of what things used to be like.

[00:22:09] Chris Simon: In some places they’re okay, but New England was 90% cleared in the 1800’s by the colonists with axes. And you can see paintings of the countryside at that time. And it’s just cleared, rolling hills, stone walls, trees along the edges of the walls, but mostly just completely cleared. And that’s why the New England populations are so small. And now Brood Eleven’s gone,

[00:22:36] If you’re in an area like DC Baltimore where there’s tons of suburbs, they’re surviving because there’s lots of parks as well and forest patches, and they’re doing just fine there. But if you’re in other populated areas where the trees have all been cleared and there’s a lot of asphalt and highways, so you know, when you think of them maybe moving north with climate change, it’s a little bit difficult in some places because there’s just these massive highways clearing asphalt. It’d be quite difficult to move north along the, say, I-95 corridor.

[00:23:11] Griff Griffith: Just to clarify, we aren’t expecting an emergence in 2024 in some of those areas, but if you’re curious, if you might see periodical cicadas, where you are. We have you covered.

[00:23:20] Dr. Simon and her team have excellent resources at cicadas.uconn.edu, spelled U C O N N. But as you might expect these days, there’s also an app for that.

[00:23:32] Gene Kritsky: Cicada Safari is an app, it’s a free app, , which is designed to ask our colleagues, our friends, people with an interest in natural history, to help us map periodical cicadas.

[00:23:43] Griff Griffith: People with an interest in natural history? That sounds like you! Cicada Safari is available on Apple and Android phones. Check our show notes for links.

[00:23:51] Gene Kritsky: Cicada Safari is a very easy, you walk out there, make sure your, location services are on, or your GPS take a picture of Cicada.

[00:23:58] you submit it, we have people with their eyes looking at it. It goes on the live map

[00:24:01] Griff Griffith: Contributing to community science in this way is incredibly important as we just discussed in our last episode. And yes. You can use iNaturalist as well, but Dr.

[00:24:11] Kritsky stressed that Cicada Safari is even simpler since it’s just for cicadas.

[00:24:16] Why is documenting cicadas so important? As we mentioned, populations are changing and some are declining. and you know what else is wild? Sometimes the cicada alarm clocks are wrong and no, it’s not like they’re just off by a little.

[00:24:28] Chris Simon: Sometimes, a large number of individuals will come out four years early or sometimes four years late, and that even happens in seventeen-year cicadas, and in 13 year cicadas. In thirteen-year cicadas, if you go to a place that you know is gonna be really dense and you go there four years ahead of time, there’ll be quite a few cicadas coming out.

[00:24:51] And the same for seventeen-year cicadas; if you know of a place that in the historical records, it’s very dense, and you go there four years early, you’ll see a large number of individuals coming out.

[00:25:04] Griff Griffith: these could be the start of entirely new broods and researchers need help understanding this. wow. Isn’t nature just incredible? When we started developing this episode, we had no idea that cicadas were such a perfect reflection of biodiversity and change in our environment. and as nature lovers, if periodical cicadas are emerging in your area, take this opportunity to soak it up.

[00:25:23] You may not see it again for another 13 or 17 years.

[00:25:26] Gene Kritsky: One of the important things about periodical cicadas, and this is especially true for parents of small kids, if you’re fortunate to have cicadas emerging in your backyard, the cicadas that are emerging, they emerge at night, if you’ve got cicadas in your backyard, get those kids outside.

[00:25:42] Get a flashlight. Your peripheral vision is limited because it’s dark. And you’re watching these things. Not one or two, but Tens, hundreds of them climbing up tree trunks, walls, what have you, and slowly transforming from the nymph to the adult. And that process takes about 90 minutes for the cicada to pull out, the adult cicada pull out of the nymphal skin, free itself, expand the wings.

[00:26:03] And then takes another 90 minutes to turn dark. That’s like having a David Attenborough special in your backyard.

[00:26:10] Kevin Wiener: I just want to see people get out there like, , yeah, they’re loud and they scream, but that’s how they find the ladies so that they can make more and, feed these animals that we love so much. I can talk about how exciting things are, but, like, to experience it for yourself. There’s nothing like it. And to think that I thought a lot of this stuff was just unimportant, silly, or just, just didn’t want to connect at one point in my life, I feel like I have missed out on so, so much.

[00:26:39] And I don’t want that for other people and that’s why I do the things I do and try to get people excited about the world around them and these little animals that are out there doing these amazing things, because Once you start to understand them and that they’re not out to get you, it’s pretty freaking cool.

[00:26:55] Griff Griffith: Well said. And even if you don’t get periodical cicadas in your area, look around at what does occur in abundance, or has similar boom and bust cycles that contribute to biodiversity. Perhaps it’s snow geese, sand hill cranes, or oak tree acorns. Everything is connected, and the more of these connections we have,

[00:27:11] the stronger our ecosystems are. So get outside, get curious, and look at those cicadas with a new sense of awe and a deeper meaning.

[00:27:19] If you enjoyed today’s episode, would you do me a favor and just share it with three friends or different groups that you think would like it? Also be sure to check out Jumpstart Nature on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, and Twitter @jumpstartnature.

[00:27:32] And the full interview with Dr. Chris Simon has been released on our companion podcast, Nature’s Archive.

[00:27:37] Nature’s Archive. Check it out and see you next time.

[00:27:40] Michael Hawk: Special thanks to Dr. Chris Simon, Dr. Gene Kritsky, Dr. Matt Kasson and Kevin Wiener for lending their time and expertise to this episode. Please check out cicadas.uconn.edu, Cicada Safari, and Kevin’s All Bugs Go To Kevin Facebook group and his YouTube channel. He promises to have fresh Cicada videos as they emerge in his neck of the woods. And make sure to report any encounters with that Cicada fungi too. Dr. Kasson, will be monitoring iNaturalist for those observations. Jumpstart nature was created, written and produced by me, Michael Hawk, our host and co-writers Griff Griffith. And thanks to Kat Hill for some additional editing help. Additional information is in the show notes at jumpstartnature.com/podcast. Thanks for listening.

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#4 – We Live in a 10% World: The Shocking Decline We’ve Normalized

What is “normal” or even “natural” in nature? In a world where everything is constantly changing, the human desire to define things as “normal” has broad implications on how we see the world, and how we choose to conserve it (or not conserve it!).

This desire to establish a personal “normal” leads to a quirk of psychology called Shifting Baseline Syndrome.

Learn about the dramatic impacts that it has in this Jumpstart Nature episode.

Comparison of fish caught from the same Key West location. While just two examples, there are many more that tell the same story.

Join your guide, Griff Griffith, as he explores what shifting baseline syndrome is through some incredible examples. With the help of Dr. Loren McClenachan, Dr. Alison Whipple (San Francisco Estuary Institute), Ben Goldfarb (author and environmental journalist), and Francisco Saavedra Jr (forestry student and member of the Pit River Tribe Madesi band), we look at the many ways that shifting baselines steer us in the wrong direction.

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Links to Topics Discussed

Crossings: How Road Ecology Is Shaping the Future of Our Planet, by Ben Goldfarb

Eager: The Surprising Secret Life of Beavers, and Why They Matter, by Ben Goldfarb

Everyone’s Guide to Helping our Planet, Jumpstart Nature’s list of easy things you can do…TODAY.

Redwoods Rising

The Underworld: Journeys to the Depths of the Ocean, by Susan Casey

Links to Additional Resources

Anecdotes and the Shifting Baseline Syndrome of Fisheries (Daniel Pauly)

Daniel Pauly’s TED Talk

Documenting Loss of Large Trophy Fish from the Florida Keys with Historical Photographs (McClenachan)

Map of the Sacramento/San Joaquin Delta Region, from https://www.usgs.gov/media/images/map-sacramento-san-joaquin-delta

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[00:00:00] Griff Griffith: If we went back in time to say, 1777, to a place called Grifftown, Pennsylvania, it would probably be normal to hear people complaining about getting passenger pigeon poop in their hair. This bird, once the most numerous in North America, went extinct in the wild by 1900.

[00:00:18] In 1877, it would be normal to hear someone say that the salmon were so thick in California’s rivers that you could walk across their backs to the other side. Today.

[00:00:29] Salmon species are listed as endangered or threatened, in much of their range.

[00:00:36] In 1977, it would be normal for my dad to thoroughly wash the smashed insects off our windshield. Every time we stopped for gas he had to do this or he wouldn’t be able to see. Today I live and drive in the same places, but I rarely need to take a squeegee to my windshield. The insects just aren’t there. These extreme examples of wildlife population declines happened in just a few generations.

[00:01:03] And despite being obvious in hindsight, weren’t always obvious while they were happening. And even today, there are many other examples occurring right in front of us that most people are completely unaware of.

[00:01:14] This misperception can be attributed to a particular quirk of human psychology called shifting baseline syndrome. This quirk has to do with how you and I perceive normal from a particular place and time. For example, what do you consider to be normal weather? How many birds in our parks is normal?

[00:01:33] What species of trees are normal in our forest? The idea of normal depends on who is doing the observing and when they are doing it.. Historical Marine Ecologist Loren McClenachan unearthed an incredible reference that vividly illustrates This phenomenon at work.

[00:01:48] Loren McClenachan: I was focused on the Florida Keys and the Caribbean, trying to see what sorts of sources existed. and it was actually the very last archive that I was visiting in, in Key West, the Monroe County Public Library,

[00:01:58] I was working with the archivist, basically saying I’m interested in anything that can tell us about long term change And then he came out one morning with this big box of, pictures

[00:02:08] And there were these pictures of, people just come back from recreational fishing trips in the 1950s and 1960s, and there was just these immense, immense fish in the, in the photographs and immediately it was like, a giant light bulb went off so I was in Key West and I went and took repeat photos, in the same sort of vein and then compared them.

[00:02:28] Griff Griffith: These photos were taken at the same spot after similar deep sea fishing trips. And what did she find?

[00:02:34] Loren McClenachan: I found a 90% decline in the size of these large trophy fish over that 50 year time period. Essentially we’ve replaced these large trophy fish that we think of as, as being, these massive, catches and these massive fish on the reef with really small, , fish that have, essentially, replaced the fish, both in the ecosystem and then also in the, fishery itself

[00:02:56] Griff Griffith: Yes, these fishers returned with fish that were 90 percent smaller than just a few decades ago, but they had the same big smiles and looks of satisfaction in their photos as a fisherman of the past who had the much larger fish.

[00:03:08] Loren McClenachan: Yeah, exactly. That’s and that’s the shifting baseline syndrome

[00:03:10] Griff Griffith: They seemingly had no idea that just a few decades ago, they could have been catching fish 90 percent larger. Things had changed, just slowly enough that the fishers didn’t think about it at the moment, because they didn’t have the same baseline of normal.

[00:03:25] But shifting baseline syndrome is so much deeper than just our perceptions.

[00:03:29] Francisco Saavedra: we know historically that it only takes one generation to forget. It only takes one generation to be killed off, displaced or denied access to an area for them to forget the culture.

[00:03:42] Griff Griffith: That was Francisco Antonio Saavedra Jr. A member of Pitt River Tribe. Madaisi band with Yurok ancestry. We’re going to hear more from him shortly.

[00:03:53] So let’s take a deeper look at our sense of normal shifting baseline syndrome and what it means to you, me, indigenous people, and how we treat the environment.

[00:04:03] I’m Griff Griffith, and welcome to Jumpstart Nature.

[00:04:11] A moment ago, we got a small taste of shifting baseline syndrome, and we’ll come back to Dr. McClenachan’s findings in a bit, but first, just what is shifting baseline syndrome?

[00:04:25] Loren McClenachan: shifting baseline syndrome is this idea that, the first time that you observe an environment, you, you think of it as natural and, all changes that you observe after that personally, you think of as, not natural. So you can imagine, you know, your childhood environment, the neighborhood that you grew up in.

[00:04:43] Griff Griffith: Right? Who hasn’t had the experience of returning to a place they know well after several years and seeing everything has changed? What you grew up with is your baseline of normal.

[00:04:53] And now the next generation is growing up with a new baseline of normal. If they’re lucky, they’ll hear stories about the way it used to be, but that will never feel normal to them.

[00:05:03] But is the way it used to be the way it should be in the future.

[00:05:08] Dr. Alison Whipple: what really comes out of that is that our ecosystems. Are not static, they were not and should not be thought of as static. That’s often, a challenging thing when we wanna do like conservation work or restoration

[00:05:20] where we’re like, we’re getting credit to do X, y, or z. We, we wanted to stay that way.

[00:05:26] Griff Griffith: That’s Dr. Alison Whipple of the San Francisco Estuary Institute, referring to a study on the Sacramento San Joaquin River Delta in California. In this system, river channels, islands, and sloughs were constantly changing due to floods, droughts, and other environmental processes.

[00:05:42] If we look at any ecosystem, we see frequent change. In fact, there’s an important concept where one ecosystem tends to convert to another ecosystem over time. Ecologists call this succession.

[00:05:54] A great example is a mountain meadow. Picture this meadow. It probably has short grasses and sedges, perhaps even a few hardy wildflowers.

[00:06:01] And it’s often surrounded by forest. This meadow formed because of some dramatic geologic event, , such as a glacier scraping out all the topsoil and plants and leaving behind poor, rocky soil. Grasses and sedges can live in that environment, but not much else.

[00:06:16] Over time, those sedges and grasses grow and die and decompose, adding nutrients to the soil. Fungi and bacteria move in, and new pioneer plants start to encroach around the edges of the meadow. The soil continues to improve, allowing shrubs and small trees to move in, accelerating the soil building. Eventually, the large trees move in, and the meadow is gone.

[00:06:38] Most ecosystems have these types of natural ” pressures” to transition to some different systems similar to what we just described with meadows.

[00:06:47] That is, unless something dramatic happens.

[00:06:50] . Many ecosystems have natural reset buttons, such as wildfire. These reset buttons prevent succession or perhaps even roll back the system to an earlier stage.

[00:07:04] In fact, we’re going to go deep into wildfire in a future episode, but for now know that our obsession with wildfire suppression has allowed succession to continue without reset in many places where it wouldn’t have been possible in the past. Ben Goldfarb, author of Crossings and Eager, has also been thinking about shifting baseline syndrome.

[00:07:30] Ben Goldfarb: it’s a concept developed in fisheries where, , maybe your, grandfather, you know, would catch these giant groupers, and then he fished at those groupers and then, you know, then, and then your father would catch.

[00:07:39] Smaller groupers, but we think it’s still fine, , and today you’re, catching sardines, but you know, you don’t really know any better because you weren’t alive when your grandfather was catching giant groupers and, you know, and someday your children , we’ll be, eating jelly fish, but, you know, that’s okay.

[00:07:51] because , they have no memory of, what the oceans were like during their kind of apex abundance.

[00:07:56] Griff Griffith: Ben’s example of eating jellyfish might seem a bit extreme, but it powerfully drives home the point.

[00:08:02] Often, these shifting baselines cause our expectations of nature’s abundance and productivity to decline. And this can create a destructive feedback loop.

[00:08:12] Let’s consider a hypothetical new development project Perhaps a new strip mall is being proposed for some area of land.

[00:08:19] The developers and politicians, and probably most people, assess the impact of the project based on current conditions. What does this land do for us today? Perhaps that land is abandoned agricultural land. It’s not providing much ecological value. . So officials decide to approve the strip mall.

[00:08:37] But our baseline of the land is totally wrong. Perhaps that spot back in 1900 was a wetland that helped buffer floods and supported fish, frogs, bats, and a generally abundant ecosystem. And could easily be restored. But our baseline tells us otherwise.

[00:08:53] So the decision to build on the land didn’t fully consider the ecological potential of the area. Our acceptance of these new baselines is extremely damaging. But shifting baselines run deeper still.

[00:09:05] Loren McClenachan: one example that I alluded to, earlier was the goliath grouper in the Florida Keys. And so this is a fish that has existed, in great abundances for centuries.

[00:09:14] it was fished intensively over the last century and it was protected in the 1990s because of, a realization that it was, it was really, depleted. And since then it started to come back, which is great. But, people who, have recently moved to the Keys, for example, will say things like there’s more now than I’ve ever seen in my lifetime.

[00:09:34] which is true, but it’s also just part of the story. And so in the absence of a longer term perspective, those voices really dominate the narrative

[00:09:42] in the case of the goliath grouper, there’s been pressure to reopen the fishery essentially every year since it was closed in, in the 1990s. And it just was successful in this last year, which I think is unfortunate. I think partially that’s a result of, sort of sense that, you know, things are, things are better than they were in terms of the populations and these fish that people were used to seeing rarely in these ecosystems are coming back

[00:10:05] Griff Griffith: This rebound effect is also common. Without a proper baseline, we tend to mistakenly perceive a partial recovery as a much more significant improvement.

[00:10:14] And at this point, I feel like I just need to give the ocean a shout out. You probably know that nearly 70 percent of our planet is covered in oceans. You might also know that oceans play the most prominent role in our climate, where ocean temperatures and currents influence major weather patterns and trends.

[00:10:30] It’s easy for us to see what’s happening on land, which plants and animals are growing, how much land is used for people and agriculture, but only a tiny fraction of us spend any real time on our oceans.

[00:10:41] We don’t have the same intuitions about how they work and what they support. To help wrap our minds around this, people often cite that 70 percent statistic, but it goes so much deeper. Literally. Susan Casey, author of The Underworld, Journeys to the Depths of the Ocean, says if we think of the parts of the Earth that support life, 98 percent is ocean.

[00:11:03] That’s because life in the ocean generally occurs all throughout its depths. Above sea, life is restricted to a thin slice close to the Earth’s surface.. Despite the importance of oceans, we seem to have a lot of problems with shifting baselines in marine systems.

[00:11:17] Loren McClenachan: humans are terrestrial animals. I think we just have a much shorter set of observations under the ocean than we do in terrestrial systems. And so, in marine systems, we developed SCUBA and the ability to essentially be aquatic animals for short periods of time in the 1960s and 1970s.

[00:11:35] And so scientists began to use those and study those systems, a few decades ago. And so we have observations coming out of that history of marine science, but the average person doesn’t spend a lot of time underwater. And so I think there’s just a lot less, sort of knowledge about the changes that have happened.

[00:11:53] Griff Griffith: It’s frightening to think how much has changed in our oceans in such a short period, and our general lack of knowledge going back further in time. But historical

[00:12:00] But historical ecologists, like Dr. McClenachan, find creative ways to uncover the past.

[00:12:05] Loren McClenachan: So I worked with, some early pirate journals, and descriptions of, travels through the Caribbean, which was really fun. there was this one pirate named William Dampier, who was just an amazing natural historian. He recorded the different species of mangroves, and he was really interested in turtles, which is how I came across him.

[00:12:23] But his, narrative of his voyages and his trip around the world really includes a whole lot of ecology, actually, which is, sort of surprising,

[00:12:31] Griff Griffith: And this makes sense. Making a living at sea, regardless of the ethics of that living, requires a deep understanding of the ocean and its animals. A pirate in the 1600s would be totally dependent on the oceans for food, travel, and just general survival. If you weren’t a skilled observer taking detailed notes, you probably wouldn’t survive long.

[00:12:51] Back to the land for a few minutes. Dr. Alison Whipple and her colleagues at the San Francisco Estuary Institute have spent significant time establishing an early to mid 1800s baseline of two parts of California. Let’s first look at the San Joaquin Sacramento River Delta. This is just downstream from the famous 49er gold discoveries .

[00:13:13] Dr. Alison Whipple: This is a very unique system, we don’t have a lot of inland deltas in the world. So this was a, historically a freshwater but tidal system. So we had the, the two rivers in the Central Valley, the Sacramento and the North, and the San Joaquin and the South coming through the Central Valley draining the Sierra Nevada and other, the Western coastal systems.

[00:13:39] And coalescing into Pretty crazy mess of tidal channels in the delta.

[00:13:45] we mapped over 360,000 acres of tidal freshwater wetland in the delta

[00:13:52] Griff Griffith: There’s a ton of interesting geology here, but I’ll keep it to the basics. As Dr. Whipple said, the Sierra Nevada mountains act like a blockade on storms and force a lot of rain and snow out

[00:14:02] All this water flows downhill, seeking the ocean, but it runs into another mountain range. Thankfully for the water, there is a narrow opening in the mountains near San Francisco.

[00:14:13] Both rivers converge at this point, forming the massive delta. Okay, that’s a lot of words. We’ll put a map in the show notes, but just recognize that we have a lot of water trying to go through a narrow area.

[00:14:25] So it creates this huge delta into California’s Central Valley. In the 1800s, this delta was enormous, biodiverse, and very productive.

[00:14:33] Dr. Alison Whipple: contrast that to today where we’ve really done a lot in terms of hemming in those tidal channels basically levying off the small dendritic channels that used to weave within. The tidal wetlands and quote unquote reclaiming that land for agriculture. Those peat soils are very rich for crops.

[00:14:53] And so they’ve been great for many decades now. And so we’re really yeah, that’s that big contrast shifting to an agricultural landscape. So we’ve seen what we documented in, in our mapping was about a 97% loss of the tidal freshwater wetlands. So we really have only very small patches today.

[00:15:14] Griff Griffith: Today’s Central Valley is perhaps the most productive agricultural land in the United States. Full of almonds, walnuts, citrus, tomatoes, grapes, garlic, and dozens of other crops.

[00:15:23] So what’s the downside of channeling the Delta and creating more farmland? Well, with intensive agriculture, the fertility of these existing soils are declining, and we’re no longer generating as much new fertile soil. Of course, there is also the loss of many ecosystems, and biodiversity, and negative impacts to fisheries.

[00:15:41] Without insights to the early 1800s baseline, we’d be inclined to continue to reign in the river delta and expose more productive soils.

[00:15:50] But understanding how the system worked in the past and what created this fertile land in the first place gives us the knowledge to make better decisions.

[00:16:00] Francisco Saavedra: we don’t necessarily suffer from shifting baseline syndrome in the same way. We know that we were stewards of the land. We know that the land’s been altered. We, we know that history, it has been passed down orally mostly,

[00:16:23] my name is Francisco Antonio Saavedra Jr. My Yurok name is Chpgi, C H P G I. It means Osprey in Yurok.

[00:16:35] Griff Griffith: We briefly heard from Francisco earlier. He studies tribal forestry at the College of the Redwoods in Eureka, California.

[00:16:41] He’s also a forestry apprentice in one of the largest restoration projects in the United States. It’s called Redwood Rising, and it’s happening on the Yurok people’s homeland.

[00:16:50] The Yurok people reside in far northern California. While the Yurok tribal lands today overlap with their ancestral lands, they have been reduced from roughly 1 million acres down to about 56, 000 acres.

[00:17:02] Francisco Saavedra: we’ve been stewards for the land of, for over 10,000 years, and sometimes that’s some of the disconnect that I see with the loss of like species, like the salmon. you know, we’ve experienced dramatic environmental changes and decline of species, of staple foods.

[00:17:19] Griff Griffith: One of the staples of the Yurok is the lamprey eel or Pacific lamprey as some call it.

[00:17:25] Francisco Saavedra: The amount of eels that my grandfather used to catch in the fifties, in the sixties was in the hundreds. It was a lot. Uh, guys could go out there and catch hundreds of eels to the point where they’re taking turns, catching eels, and It was sustainable because at that time, lamprey eels made up 90% of the river’s biomass.

[00:17:48] That’s something that when I tell people that, when I say, Hey, did you know that lamprey eels made up 90% of the river’s biomass as far down as the Sacramento River? Think of all those indigenous nations who’ve maybe never even seen a lamprey eel because of hydroelectric damming, because of redirection of water, because of loss of streams and habitat through commercial logging.

[00:18:10] Griff Griffith: It’s estimated that the lamprey eel have decreased by 90 percent since the 1960s. A couple of things stand out here. One, remember that number, 90%. And two, this demonstrates how complicated shifting baselines are. Francisco clearly knows the history.

[00:18:26] He knows the baseline. But many others, even some conservationists, may not know this. And part of that reason is not only because of shifting baselines,

[00:18:35] Colonists.

[00:18:36] Francisco Saavedra: created hydroelectric dams and classified the lamprey as a parasitic fish. He didn’t make no fish ladder for them. He only made it for the salmon. The lamprey died off in massive, massive numbers.

[00:18:48] Griff Griffith: Yes, Western cultures love to label everything.

[00:18:51] In this case, the lamprey eel was labeled a parasite. That label alone is filled with negative connotations, reducing the chances that anyone would try to save this fish. But who are we to judge the strategies that life has evolved to embrace? And we actually need creatures like lamprey eels to maintain balance in our ecosystems.

[00:19:09] But the view of shifting baselines from an indigenous perspective runs much deeper.

[00:19:14] Francisco Saavedra: we know historically that it only takes one generation to forget. It only takes one generation to be killed off, displaced or denied access to an area for them to forget the culture.

[00:19:28] Griff Griffith: California indigenous people are reclaiming their culture and lands.

[00:19:32] And the real story of what happened to them is starting to become more clear. I know when I was in school, we weren’t taught about the systemic genocide of Native Americans in California and other parts of the USA. Yes, I know the term genocide has taken on different legal and common meanings, But it’s hard to ignore the intent of policies and the reality of actions that were taken, very often violent actions.

[00:19:53] Thousands of Native Americans were killed directly through massacres or forced starvation. Many thousands more were separated from their families, enslaved, Or put in very oppressive boarding schools. In fact, there were land grants and related policies that encourage colonists to clear the land, removing numerous oak trees from the landscape These were oak trees that the indigenous people depended on for food and other things.

[00:20:21] As we learned in episode one, oak trees are also the champion species of biodiversity. Stick with me here. Have you ever heard of Silicon Valley?

[00:20:29] It’s the part of California where silicon based microchips, computer processors, were developed and mass produced. It’s now known for its tech culture. Depending on how you define its boundaries, it’s home to 4 to 6 million people.

[00:20:41] You look around today and you see business centers, office parks, and suburban sprawl…. But this area used to support exceptional varieties and quantities of plants and animals.

[00:20:50] Dr. Alison Whipple: The Santa Clara Valley, certainly as you head north and head towards the bay you start entering into more of a seasonal wetland complexes, alkali seasonal wetland. And then moving into, once you hit tidal influence the tidal marshes of the bay historically.

[00:21:06] Griff Griffith: Santa Clara Valley is the proper geographic region that is known as Silicon Valley. Wetlands and tidal marshes are some of the most productive ecosystems, most of which have been filled, channelized, or entirely cut off.

[00:21:18] But this area was also home to many, many oak trees, especially further south.

[00:21:22] Dr. Alison Whipple: Again, really a really profound and dramatic loss of oaks in that period of, mid 18 hundreds to that early 1930s period based on reconstructing you using methods to take the trees that were documented in those GLO notes, those general land office notes, and then extrapolate out what that would’ve meant in terms of numbers of trees based on the densities that we’d estimated. And so we found that there was probably around 50 trees per hectare, or that’s 20 trees per acre which can be roughly approximated to about 20 trees in a football field, if that’s something folks can imagine.

[00:22:00] Griff Griffith:

[00:22:00] This research was in a narrow area of the south part of Santa Clara Valley.

[00:22:04] Dr. Alison Whipple: sources that we are able to use for the work is, mostly generated by those who occupied California in the early 18 hundreds. So the Spanish explorers, the missionaries, the 49 ERs, et cetera

[00:22:15] Griff Griffith: It revealed the loss of basically 50, 000 of the most important trees we have for biodiversity. I think it’s safe to say that most of the businesses and homeowners in that area have no idea what was lost.

[00:22:27] And this is why we’re such advocates for planting native plants at home, at school, at your place of worship, or place of business. And if you’re listening, say, in Ohio, Florida, Texas, New York, or pretty much anywhere else, the story is the same. Just change the name of the species.

[00:22:41] 50,000 oak trees down to 300 is roughly a 99 percent reduction. Can you recall earlier when I said, remember the 90 percent reduction? Here’s Dr. McClenachan again.

[00:22:53] Loren McClenachan: that work found a 90% decline in the size of the largest fish that were caught in the Florida Keys. There was work from, from Maine, from this part of the world that showed a 90% or more decline in the abundance of cod, on the Scotian Shelf since the Civil War. , one of the early papers in this field showed a 90% loss of, pelagic fish like billfish and tuna caught on Japanese long pit, longline fisheries since the 1950s. So, I think it’s, it’s really sort of stunning that across these different geographies and time scales and species and ways of measuring, it’s a really consistent finding, which is this 90% or order of magnitude loss. there’s a Canadian journalist, who I think put it really nicely and saying that, we live in a 10% world. So the world that we’re living in now has, various ways that you look at it, 10% of the abundance and the biomass and the productivity that it had, you know when you look farther in the past

[00:23:47]

[00:23:47] Griff Griffith: , in many ways, we now live in a 10 percent world. Can you imagine the beauty, awe, and wonder of a 100 percent world?

[00:23:55] So what can you do to help? Our earlier episode, The Yard of the Future, gave you one of the most powerful things that you can do, and that’s plant native plants wherever you can, . And jumpstartnature. com has a special downloadable PDF called Everyone’s Guide to Helping Our Planet, which has over 100 simple steps that you can take.

[00:24:14] You don’t have to be overwhelmed, but you should get started.

[00:24:17] Today we’ve heard how shifting baseline syndrome skews our perception of the world causing us to miss dramatic changes altogether misinterpret typical processes such as succession, diminish and gloss over injustices and overestimate small rebounds in populations.

[00:24:32] What are some examples of shifting baseline syndrome that you’ve seen?

[00:24:35] We’d love to hear from you. And we’re curious, you can email us at podcast at jumpstart nature. com, or leave a comment on one of our social media pages. You can find us on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram at jumpstart nature.

[00:24:48] A big thanks to.

[00:24:49] Loren McClenachan, Francisco Saavedra Jr., Ben Goldfarb, and Alison Whipple. Alison Whipple also wants us to acknowledge the historical ecology team at San Francisco Estuary Institute that’s currently led by Sean Baumgarten . And was founded by Robin Grossinger.

[00:25:05] if you want more shifting baselines, Nature’s Archive has a full length interview with Loren McClenachan. It’s episode number 78.

[00:25:12] And jumpstart nature. com slash podcast has a transcript and full show notes for today’s episode, including links to topics we mentioned and additional resources to help you learn more about shifting baseline syndrome.

[00:25:24] Michael Hawk: Jumpstart Nature was created and produced by me, Michael Hawk. Michelle Balderston is our associate producer and our host is Griff Griffith. The song Lofi Prairie by Brian Holtz Music was used in this production with permission via creative commons license. The song is available from filmmusic.io and the full license information is in the show notes at jumpstartnature.com/podcast. As always. Thanks for listening.